Simple custom colour brush feature
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twinbee
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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I have a been a long time user of classic art programs such as Deluxe Paint on the Amiga, or Artgem on the PC and have only recently accustomed myself to Photoshop.
Although much weaker in power than Photoshop in general, the aforementioned art programs are still flexible and also faster than Photoshop for day to day operations such as drawing circles or applying effects
And unless I'm sorely mistaken, I find that there's an essential feature they have that Photoshop lacks.
A CUSTOM BRUSH FUNCTION
It's so obvious, but I can't pick up a colour brush easily and start painting with it. It's very handy for jut quickly moving one object to another section, or for simply painting with it smoothly at intervals, to get a 'chain' or snaking effect.
Obviously, it gets much better - you can flip the brush, rotate it, and generally manipulate it, the same as you would with an image, except that you can paste immediately at wherever the cursor is positioned, so that it's MUCH easier to get results quickly and efficiently.
So what am I missing? Has the whole world gone mad, or have I missed this feature in Photoshop (despite spending a couple of hours searching on the net). With all those programmers, I can't believe ONE didn't think of adding this brush feature.
I'll stop now, before I begin a rant. |
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Raven12388 250+ Club
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 327 Location: Liverpool, England
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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you can edit the brushes that are there and make custome ones your self you can also download many custom brushes for free on the interweb you can allso buy brush liberies.
i believe if you use photoshop enough and do alot of tutorials you will relise for a genral paint program and much more |
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Etheryte 100+ Club

Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 166 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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Photshop has dozens of functions dedicated barely to brushes. Don't cry for missing out on something you barely didn't notice.  |
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twinbee
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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I'd love to be proven wrong on this. Because despite PS's speed, I could really get to love it.
Okay, so just to show we're talking along the same lines, can you pick up a brush in full colour (not mono), with full alpha component (translucency), and immediately start to freehand draw with it using the brush tool?
If so, I'm dying to know how (and I'm hoping it's simple). |
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Raven12388 250+ Club
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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| well just add a layer over the image and set the opacity to the requiard level and color away thats the way i would do it |
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rachjm 250+ Club

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Etheryte 100+ Club

Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 166 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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| twinbee wrote: |
I'd love to be proven wrong on this. Because despite PS's speed, I could really get to love it.
Okay, so just to show we're talking along the same lines, can you pick up a brush in full colour (not mono), with full alpha component (translucency), and immediately start to freehand draw with it using the brush tool?
If so, I'm dying to know how (and I'm hoping it's simple). |
How fast and how much you can do depends on your version of Photoshop. What version are you running? |
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twinbee
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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Well, I'm sad not to have been proven wrong so far. PS may really be as frustrating as I feared...
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| How fast and how much you can do depends on your version of Photoshop. What version are you running? |
Latest version - CS3 Extended (version 10).
Sorry, I knew that method already. Read my posts again - although that allows translucency, the brushes are entirely monochrome - i.e. not traditional colour brushes the way the classic art programs allowed.
Also, I can't seem to set the spacing between brush strokes.
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| well just add a layer over the image and set the opacity to the requiard level and color away thats the way i would do it |
Yes, you can use layers, but trust me; this can be a horrendously stodgy way of implementing what should be a simple way to manipulate areas of a picture. Being able to rotate or resize the brush in realtime, and continually paste the results down in different areas of the picture is a real boon. The lack of the feature also means PS won't allow 'snaking' of the brush. Additionally, you can't get copies of the brush around the picture, without opening up multiple layers - bleurghhh....
Have you ever used anything like Dpaint before? If so, you would know how intuitive it can be to just pick up (cut/copy) a colour brush (box/shape) from an area of a picture, and plonk it elsewhere. |
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Raven12388 250+ Club
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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well say you have a image that you want to say snake, is not right clicking the layer duplicating it and moving the new layer to where you want it just as easy as right clicking the image and pressing paste over and over again ?? and not much harder than just clicking your mouse button to use a brush ??
im not sure but i think your right you cant make full color brushes but there are ways to get the effects you want with out them using clone stamp marquee tool and copy and paste wich will create the layers for you.
mabey adobe just thinks this feature is not needed when the effects can be created with other tools.
regarding fliping and resizing multimpls of the same image well edit/transform should help with that |
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Etheryte 100+ Club

Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 166 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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Seriously, Twinbee. What do you expect us to do? Lay down what takes years to learn and master in a single post?
I am too lazyass and my time is limited here, so I won't bother starting.
About monotone:
This is a single pull with brush tool, no effects or such applied. The features are all there, just search them up. |
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twinbee
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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| well say you have a image that you want to say snake, is not right clicking the layer duplicating it and moving the new layer to where you want it just as easy as right clicking the image and pressing paste over and over again ?? |
One wouldn't right do that (press paste repeatedly) - one would simply drag the mouse and click the mouse button. Think of using the regular PS monochrome brushes, but doing it with colour brushes instead, and also using a specified interval (every 5, 10, 15 pixels etc.)
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| Lay down what takes years to learn and master in a single post? |
What, take years to learn how to pick up a colour brush?
Seriously, in the same way it is possible but slow to draw circle by carefully placing individual pixels to trace the outline (instead of a simple circle tool), a simple colour brush pickup tool would drastically simplify many operations. By the way, unless I'm mistaken, even for the monotone brushes, you can only resize them on the fly (RMB - Master diameter), and can't rotate them.
The swirly brush you drew is still monotone.
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| im not sure but i think your right you cant make full color brushes but there are ways to get the effects you want with out them using clone stamp marquee tool and copy and paste wich will create the layers for you. |
And if I only want one layer for speed, memory and simplicity reasons...?
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| mabey adobe just thinks this feature is not needed when the effects can be created with other tools. |
Sure one can the given select tool, and then use cut, copy, and paste, and the transform effects, but as explained earlier, this is so much slower and less accurate than the more WYSIWYG approach where you can see realtime how something looks by just moving the colour brush over an area (not to mention the other stuff I said earlier). |
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Etheryte 100+ Club

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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If you had eyes, you would see it's not monotone. I don't have time to explain this all for you.
Sidenote: You can rotate your brush.
I won't bother explaining anything, because I already see you're minded against Photoshop and there's hardly anything I can do about that.
Point: If You can't bare learning to know the program for an hour (which is what it generally takes me to learn the basics of a new art program) before going complaining on the forums, don't go into digital art. |
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Isick 250+ Club

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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Guys stop. Twinbee the reason no REAL photoshop user cares about not having multi chromatic brushes is because every expert in the field doesn't NEED a mult chromatic brush. The reason Photoshop is so much more popular than every other program out there is because it has ONLY those effects, filters, tools, and abilities that are NEEDED, nothing more and NOTHING less.
I used to use Paint Shop Pro and when I first made the switch to Photoshop, I admit, I hated some things about Photoshop. They were missing some things Paint Shop Pro had and I was reluctant to swtich. But after about a month it became painfully clear to me that Photoshop really didn't lack anything useful, it was only missing a couple shortcuts here and there, but the overall power of Photoshop was far greater.
If I may make a simple analogy to explain what I mean. Imagain Paint Shop Pro (PSP) has 20 tools each bound to a different key. Now Photoshop (PS) has 80 tools. Obviously it cannot bind every tool to a key so it choses only the most frequently used ones and binds those. Now when I start using it I noticed that my brush key is not bound so I say "Gosh Photoshop was foolish to not incoporate this as a bound function" when I completely ignore the fact that it has 60 more tools to chose from AND that all it takes for me to use this brush tool is one extra step.
If you don't like photoshop then don't use it, but realise that by not being familiar with it you will be excluding yourself as a potential employee from virtually every design related job out there. |
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twinbee
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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| If you had eyes, you would see it's not monotone. I don't have time to explain this all for you. |
It allows varying degrees of translucency. That's not the same as colour though. It's still mono-hued.
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| Sidenote: You can rotate your brush. |
Okay accepted, I didn't see it when I pressed RMB when drawing though.
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| I won't bother explaining anything, because I already see you're minded against Photoshop and there's hardly anything I can do about that. |
Well, you're mistaken there. I've already said how much more powerful Photoshop is in general than anything else out there. Some of my favourite software I moan about. In fact, on my own site, I often love to review, compare and contrast programs, so the photoshop creators should not take it personally (let alone anyone else). It's a way for an idea to get out there. Maybe in the future Photoshop will incorporate this feature and that would be great, but maybe not because no one seems to care about it. I might ask you to try something like Artgem just to see how cool the addition of this simple feature would be.
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| Guys stop. Twinbee the reason no REAL photoshop user cares about not having multi chromatic brushes is because every expert in the field doesn't NEED a mult chromatic brush. |
And how do they know that unless they've tried it? Are you yourself 100% sure that having such a feature would not help on many tasks? Have you personally used such a feature?
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| and abilities that are NEEDED, nothing more and NOTHING less. |
Nothing's perfect. Photoshop may come pretty close, but that doesn't mean the programmers have thought of every idea, or every efficiency to get the most out of computer drawing (one example is the B-Spline curve over the bezier - the former is generally more intuitive and flexible if implemented properly).
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| If I may make a simple analogy to explain what I mean. Imagain Paint Shop Pro (PSP) has 20 tools each bound to a different key. Now Photoshop (PS) has 80 tools. Obviously it cannot bind every tool to a key so it choses only the most frequently used ones and binds those. |
Yes I fully agree there. But a fully chromatic colour brush pickup feature would actually help *reduce* the number of other features to their minimum. It's faster to create like this, and until you've tried, you don't know what you're missing.
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| If you don't like photoshop then don't use it, but realise that by not being familiar with it you will be excluding yourself as a potential employee from virtually every design related job out there. |
But I DO like photoshop, and that's why I think it's a shame. |
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Isick 250+ Club

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Simple custom colour brush feature |
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Yes I am sure. I have used almost every free and shareware program out there from Gimp to MS Paint, to imageforge, flash, to explogen, to neopaint, to zbrush, to PSP and PS. You name it I probably used it at one point in my life and I can honestly say that Photoshop is the most comprehensive and powerful tool out there.
How do I know that I don't need it? How about because I don't use it, I have never said Gosh I wish I could paint more than one color with a brush, you know why? because there is no need to do that. If I want a specific brush I will make it, draw with it, and color it later. All you save from panting with more than one color is about the 5 minutes it would take to color change it later.
And I am sorry, but thinking that by adding a multi chromatic brush option that Photoshop would then be able to remove other tools is completely foolish. My whole point is that Photoshop allows for everything to be done by using a combination of tools and does not waste time making tools task specific which sounds exactly the sole purpose of a multi chromatic brush option.
If you can make any brush in any color (which photoshop can) then, if you know what you're doing, you will be able to make any brush in EVERY color (which photoshop can). If you would like me to explain how I could, but you should not knock Photoshop for not having a checkable box. Having the power to do it is good enough for me. |
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