W3C Compliance - Perspectives - Costs/Benefits

[designer]

John,

Though a movie built in flash is lighter weight than a wmv, merely converting a file from wmv to flash, alone, would have quadrupled the file size:)

I converted the wmv to a swf movie at 250 width and 200 height. Using these settings the quality will remain perfect match per specs. The sound accounts for roughly half the file size of 515 KB.


LOL.... I just realized that I had to guess at the display size at which you were displaying the wmv. Now, if you had used tables I could have merely clicked a couple of buttons my my developers tool bar and it would have told me the exact screen size you were using to display the wmv file. However, you did not use tables.....LOL So, I had to guess.... Hey, it really is funny.....at least from my point of view...


Designer@pcsoup.com

[johneva]

Here are a couple of threads that explain some of the reasons I dont use tables for layout.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

I carnt be bothered to try and find every time this subject has come up but basicly tables should not be used for layout perpouses they are for displaying tabular data and nothing else.

As you can see this is a topic that comes up all the time so I am sorry if I come accross as a mardy little git.

Another one that really gets me is the issue of frames people still feal the need to use them and make out like they are brilliant when there are better ways of getting the same effect without all the drawbacks of using frames.

Oh yeah by the way the size of my movie files are in my CSS anyways.

[designer]

John,

You will need to correct your CSS to reflect the information you wish for your wmv files.

You have tagged the source for the wmv with id='mediaPlayer'

But, you have not referrence this class in your CSS.
Instead there appears the following:

* html object.mov {
display: none;
}

object {
width: 320px;
height: 285px;
margin-top: 20px;
margin-bottom: 20px;
}


The above is a general statement and did not directly address the wmv. class id itself but address the group of elements to which it belongs.

Again, it would have been much easier for me to have merely clicked to developers tools bar than to have to open the css2 with visual studio, inspect the css and then derive the idea that the wmv being a movie file was generally covered by the css2 statement referring to objects. Since you only have the wmv object in the page, I could have deduced this was the size.

The tag line upon your signature image is "Only God Can Judge Me." It is this that has kept my attention throughout our discussions. For gaining great merit it is not enough that you look towards W3C to to set your standards. You must critically reason out for your self and on occasion on behalf of your clients - what is best.

[johneva]

What? I dont have clients.

Also the message in my sig is a quote from awell know dead rapper 2-Pac.

If your using the web developer tool bar for Firefox you dont need to open visual studio though as it has an option to veiw the CSS file and modify it even.

I dont want to gain great merit.

I just wanna make websites I have learnt the way I have as it is what should be learnt for a newbie, granted I did play around with tables first but then wanted to better myself.

I understand your argument that it would take you extra time to make a site standards compliant but it is not really much more effort for me, as I need to learn either way and might aswell learn the right way and the way of the future rather than the thing of the past.

Yeah I know the obect properties would be used for any object used but as you say my only objects are the videos.

Yeah I suppose I should have used a class though.


EDIT

Ah right yeah I get what your saying about the id attribute in my coding now, the ID has been removed as I do use other types of video on my videos pages too.

[designer]

John, as I mentioned once before;

Your opinion was and is important to my thinking on this issue. And, you thoughts have benefited me. Beyond merely on W3C, also! This, as the story below will confirm:

Sometime ago, I downloaded and attempted to install the Developer Tool bar for Mozilla. Actually, a couple of times. I run a number of browser versions Mozilla and Firefox being amonst the group. In any event the downloads available at these browsers home sites are more likely to be beta, have a bug or need more attention to installation than I.E. Since I already had the tool bar on a couple of browers, when the installation failed to work (no appearance in the browser bar at top), I let the matter go at this.

Due to your mention of the extra features for Mozilla, I took the time to fix installation for Mozilla. And, of course, you are absolutely correct. The Developers Tool Bar for Mozilla has additional features not available in I.E.

Thanks again.

Designer@pcsoup.com

[designer]

John,

If you decide to stay with the wmv file you might be interested in a css design method for altering the appearance of the wmv control bar.

An example:

style='filter:xray;'

Just a thought

[johneva]

Hi

Pleasure mate glad you got the toolbar for firefox working as it is a well handy tool.

As for the video on my site I really dont know what to do, I want to use the file you made me but the quality has been lost on it.

But I also understand the fact that anybody with dail-up would not hang around to wait for the WMV file to load and just leave the site.

I am thinking of doing away with the video on the index page and just keeping the vidos in the videos section of my site. Just to keep down dpwnload times for the index page, then I would just stick an image in its place.

As for the filter I will check it out cheers but as all the filters I have used in the past only work in IE I tend to steer clear of them, as it causes my site to look diffrently in diffrent browsers and also they normally cause an error in the CSS file.

Cheers again