Vectors and cleaning edges advice please

[jerryb]

hi,
am looking alittle bit ahead on the tutorial ...

once you got the edges feathered... the next step is adding a couple of adjustment layers.....

now here your cs4 is different in a couple of respects for starter the curve adjusment layer has more things in it.... and the black and white adjustment layer... i don't have that in my cs1... i end up doig things quite different....

but i thought this article and it sort of a tutorial on cs4 adjstment layers/black and white layer, clipping ... be important to your...
http://psd.tutsplus.com/articles/techni ... nt-layers/

Thanks

i now have the vector mask for the paper down pat , looks real sweet

But i tried to apply that technique to the 2nd temple vector and

im back to a black dot

whats your technique for that vector ?

Cheers

[fotojunkie]

Yup 5 30 am this morn

What the hoot its the weekend , dont have to get up

if i dont want to

Thanks for advice on feathering

About the vectors issue , i only meant to say i had that

1st one , on the grunge paper , down pat .

Moving to the next vectors , i even applied your advice

to them , im back to dots dots bloody dots ...Grrrrrrrrr

Somethings different there , and its beyond me

Howd you get those parts to work ?

i really like and appreciate your easy to follow instructions , like

a good GPS if i may say so , fine communication skills , especially

in this medium , in type over the internet , its like someones

here pointing the way , if you dont mind me saying

i do appreciate

Cheers

[jerryb]

hi,
let review....
1. step 1 what it was all about... is creating a grungy old background...

merging the 3 dot (using the vector mask procedure) makes it look a little older and dirty!! .......

now the curve layer at the end of step 1... is to increase the ahadows (darkness) of the texture ... and enhance the colors..... and that it....

2. with step 2..
there adding 2 adjustment layers... and the result of doing these 2 layers is to h elp make things easier and also limiting the effectivness of the tools alittle ... which will also elimante most of the color in the temple image to where all you have is a basically a dark image....

step 3...
now temple 2 your not using a vector mask just the same thing as temple... you select, apply a feather... and copy and paste.. that it...

now after that... now on that temple 2 layer you will be adding a vector mask .. and the reason is your going to be putting in one or two more dots. ..and the result of doing that... is so that it will block out part of the bottom part of the temple 2 image.... and basically the procedure as you did before..

and step 4 is a repition of of step 2 and 3 .....

Yup 5 30 am this morn

What the hoot its the weekend , dont have to get up

if i dont want to

Thanks for advice on feathering

About the vectors issue , i only meant to say i had that

1st one , on the grunge paper , down pat .

Moving to the next vectors , i even applied your advice

to them , im back to dots dots bloody dots ...Grrrrrrrrr

Somethings different there , and its beyond me

Howd you get those parts to work ?

i really like and appreciate your easy to follow instructions , like

a good GPS if i may say so , fine communication skills , especially

in this medium , in type over the internet , its like someones

here pointing the way , if you dont mind me saying

i do appreciate

Cheers

[fotojunkie]

Slow and methodical is how its going

when i paste in 2nd temple its between paper but over temple 1

and thus i cant position it like in tutorial and its B&W

when tut says past onto our document , exactly where do

they mean , which layer ?

Cheers

[fotojunkie]

Hi

i ve just read your reply over a number of times

im still amazed you suss all this out and know what the

authour is up to , and what hes trying to achieve

When you have the time , can ypu please walk me through

those next vectors , im plugging away here , grrrrrrrr

Not sure what im missing

Thanks so much

[jerryb]

hi,
as far as the vector mask... the procedures for them will be appr the same as the first.... if you got the first one down pat... youshould be ok on the rest... but if yo need more help there i will try..

the main issue i think will be those adjustment layers... it should be pretty stright forward.. take alook at that link i gave on them.... i can only go by that because cs1 don't have those panel... i cs1 has the curve adjusment layer but doesn't have that black and white adjustme.... also in the panel you have alippig tab there but cs1 doesn't have that.. smiling... i am in the blind on that... but i'll try....

Hi

i ve just read your reply over a number of times

im still amazed you suss all this out and know what the

authour is up to , and what hes trying to achieve

When you have the time , can ypu please walk me through

those next vectors , im plugging away here , grrrrrrrr

Not sure what im missing

Thanks so much

[fotojunkie]

OK thanks

[fotojunkie]

i amy be onto something here

When i creat vector mask via

layer-vector mask-reveal all , i see the little white

frame in layers palette , but i never actually see that

large frame on my screen like is shown in the tutorial

im actually drawing on top of the picture , at least

in my eyes view , is this correct ? or maybe i have a PS

setting wrong ?

i also dont understand where he means to paste that 2nd temple

when he says paste onto our document , where and which layer

does he refer to ?

Still at it

Cheers

[fotojunkie]

heres where i think im going wrong

Step 3

1st not sure where im suppose to paste 2nd temple when told

to past onto our document , mine always ends up on top of

temple 1 , but partially hidden under paper

2nd

when adding dot(s) onto vector mask i dont actually see the big

white screen with a dot on it as in the tutorial ( i do see the

small white frame tho in layers palette ) and after creating vector mask

as shown my results are nothing like in tutorial , as stated , mines just

a black dot

Then im told

On top of the “Temple 2″ layer, add two adjustment layers – curves and black

and white and make both of them Clipping Mask to the “Temple 2″ layer:

OK

After i create the curves part , curves is now hilighted in layers palette

window , so do i now move mouse again to select temple 2 in the

layers palette ? if not id be applying B & W to curves right ?

Then the same with temple 3 etc....as i create Ie a curves , layers palette

now hilights that move , so do i stay there and apply next step or

move back to Ie the temple im told to apply effects to ?

Ouch thats a headfull i know

PS i tried both methods to no avail anyhow , but maybe ive still missed

something ?

But maybe im onto something ?

Cheers

[jerryb]

hi,
something wrong here.. i sent yo a reply last night but i noticed it wasn't posted on the board... i don't know why....... but anyway try again...lol....

i think it be best address a couple of things that i think will help you understand what happening and make it easier to understand the tutorial and other tutoris

1. adjustment layers... the now you could apply directly a adjustment (like curves) to a layer.... but if you wanted to change the adjustment you more or less would have to start over on that layer.....

however by apply a seperate adjustment layer.... you can get the same effect plus you can easily go back and make a make a change to that adjustment layer if desired..... hope you understand the way i explained..

2. masks layer and vector ... what they do is to hide, reveal, blend, merge, and add fade attributes to multiple images
this article give a quick and dirty summery of that...
http://www.uwec.edu/help/PhotoshopCS2/masking.htm
this is not a complete answer but helps http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 616AAH0dO1

this shows another way to use a layer mask
http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Photosho ... Part-1/11/

now a layer mask (this applies to vector) will either be white or black .. white allows everything to show thru and black blocks everything!! now if your use a white mask,, when go to you brush with black.... the black will block wherever it painted...!!!! and visa versa.. if it a black mask the using a white brush where ever the white is painted the packground shows thru!!

for example those dots , when white mask is applied and the textured background shows thru but when yo paint with the black color brush... where you paint the background is block off!!! hence the dots shows...!!

ok that a little background which i think will help better understand and make it easeri to see what happening with the tutorials...

now address you questions.....

3. on the mask. your right there isn't a seperate layer as the tutorial misleads you to think....when you choose a layer/vector mask you will not see a seperate layer!!!! all you will see is a thumbnail in the layer pallet !!!! all he was doing there is showing you a expanded view of what the mask thumbnail looks like .......
a. when you chose the layer/vector mask "reveal all" that will be a white mask(which allow everything to show thru) and the "hide all" that a black mask which blocks everthing from showing.!!!
b. when yo look at the color box at the bottom of your tool pallet.. you'll note that when you choose reveal all the forground color defaults to black and when you choose "hide all" forground color changes to white... it sort of set you up to where you can immediate use you brush without thiining if you need to change the colors...

4. now remember he trying to make things sequential..... now it would have been nice if he included what his layer pallet look like to make things more understandable .....but he didn't ...
.....................
so you can assume that the new layer will be at the top of the stack or should be ........

so if he had you add a adjustment layer previously.. then when you add the temple it should go above those layers/on top of the stack ....

.................
5. on the adjustment layers that added.. remember the changes in those will effect only the layer preceding them.. not the one ones above them!!

6. now the black and white layer... i mentioned befor i don't have that (what i would have to do in cs1 is a desaturation) what it purpose is... to change the image to a greyscale color.. this does it better than doing a desaturation .... also by making it a adjsutment layer.. if you want to modify how much you can easily do it with out starting over...... on the layers..

now.. smiling... does that help you now...... and is understandable what your now doing???

i amy be onto something here

When i creat vector mask via

layer-vector mask-reveal all , i see the little white

frame in layers palette , but i never actually see that

large frame on my screen like is shown in the tutorial

im actually drawing on top of the picture , at least

in my eyes view , is this correct ? or maybe i have a PS

setting wrong ?

i also dont understand where he means to paste that 2nd temple

when he says paste onto our document , where and which layer

does he refer to ?

Still at it

Cheers